No question too barney.
Oct 24 11, 9:15 am
Been looking to add another epoxy longboard to our quiver but wondering how short can you go and still be able to have the stability to noseride?
After some noodling around on the internet, I realize what a loaded question this is since there is a LOT that goes into a board’s ability to noseride. And the term noseride itself can be somewhat misleading. I’ve found myself inches from the nose of my 7’6 hybrid to try to get keep in front of a wave – not on purpose and certainly not pretty. On my own PU 9’0 (Ohana Islander), I can get close to the nose but the board is so brought in up front and narrow, I actually get speed wobble – no stability at all. Then on my wife’s epoxy 9’0 (Takayama Stephen Slater), I can have lunch and read half of War and Peace when I’m on that thing.
Then there’s the science behind noseriding – holy cow. I found that certain rails toward the tail can be designed to curl water over the deck of the board literally getting the water to hold the tail down. The shape of the tail itself dictates how much of it will be submerged and therefore how much of the fin (its shape itself a factor) remains in the wave allowing for better noseriding stability.
So clearly it depends on many things as to how short a noserider can be.
To bring it into context though, I’ve been eyeing the Takayama Scorpion as a “stepdown” noserider (is that what you would call it? Lol). To be clear though, I’m looking at the 8’6 version which is actually shaped differently than the other Scorpions – it’s based off of the In The Pink template which is Takayama’s bread and butter noserider board.
Oct 24 11, 10:29 am
Why are you looking to have a shorter noserider? Simply for maneuverability?
Oct 24 11, 10:52 am
TI, there’s a few reasons. Maneuverability is always a plus. Also, I’m just curious as to what goes into making a good noserider.
As far as I’ve read, obviously there’s the sheer volume of the board – length, thickness and width. But I’m also starting to understand how the shape of the nose and tail contributes a board’s ability to noseride.
A rounded out nose obviously provides more surface area for the board to plain – the In the Pink model. Underneath a lot of Takayamas, you’ll also notice a teardrop / spoon concave just under the nose already helping to stabilize the board.
The tail is still a bit confusing to me but as I understand it, the more of a pintail allows the rear of the board to sink providing more stability – add a longer boomerang style fin (or anything with top heavy rake) and that helps even more.
Lastly there’s the rails and that confused me the most. In some videos I have of myself, I do notice water curling around the back third of the board. As far as I understand, the hardness / sharpness of the rails dictates how much of this water swirl is created – and therefore pushes down on the tail creating stability.
Oh and of course there’s the skill level of the rider.
Oct 24 11, 1:36 pm
From any video I've seen, most noseriders are 8'6" and longer. Now granted there's the absolutely amazing surfers that will noseride a 2x4 but, that's not us! ;)
You're right about having that extra length to help bury the tail and prolong your noseride as well as the shape of the tail that will allow differences in the way the water flows past the tail.
The rocker of the board could also makes a big difference as well. My first longboard had way too much rocker (Takayama EhuKai) and I had a tough time with that board. My current log, has a really nice rocker to it and works well with the moderate swell that we have here in SoCal.
The only thing that I can think on the rails is that the greater the sharpness the better hold you'll have on the wave face. This is just a guess however...
Oct 24 11, 2:55 pm
a nose rider has to be 9 feet or longer .
I was to get a 8'0'' nose rider shaped but my shaper told me it would not be long enougph to keep the tail and fin in water when on the nose
Oct 27 11, 3:15 pm
Sometimes with enough speed.. I have been known to nose-ride my 6'2 for a split second.
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